I just do not get how they can get by with this. How can they have a question like number 9 and no one do anything about it. It would be like asking if the children Jerry Sandusky molested were at fault.
This is beyond sick. I just do not get why the news is not going after them, much less the legal world. How anyone can stay in the religion after knowing this is mind boggling.
LITS
...... words.
knowing that the candace conti child abuse case was probably coming down the turnpike as was the 5 out of court child abuse settlements the wt society settled in san diego, california - this past april as most of you know the wt society sent a secret letter instructing all elders to essentially keep their " pie-holes " shut ( mouths for those not hip to modern lingo ) and essentially instructed them to not divulge anything to any authorities investigating crimes or other information concerning wt organization operations.. someone posted a thread on this in april, however - with all the news coming out about wt child abuse coverups, the anonymous organization investigating the wt society , i felt it important to reveal some snippets of what the wt society instructed their elders regarding legal issues.
in one section it states, " when someone seeks confidential information : you should never reveal confidential information to anyone unless theocratic procedure requires it or the branch office has instructed you to do so.
This reminds me of when we were first married and this MS in the hall flipped out threatening to kill people. He threatened to shoot up where he worked and they fired him, this was back in the late 80's, now I am sure he would have been arrested by his employer.
Then this guy decided to kill my husband because he was an elder, in fact my husband was the only elder in the hall at the time. So this guy calls us up one night about 10:00 in the evening and says he has his gun loaded and he was coming over. I was so freaked out but my husband told me Jehovah would protect us. My husband did call an elder from the next congregation over that night who kept the guy on the phone until about one in the morning and the guys wife hid the bullets in the gun. From what his wife said after he got off the phone with the elder he picked up the gun to come over to our home and then he realized that she had the bullets and they got into a fight but it stopped him for the time being.
So the next morning my husband called Bethel to ask what we should do. The first Brother on the phone told us to go right away to the police. We were walking out the door when the phone rang again with another brother from Bethel telling us to STOP!!!!!! Bethel did not want the POLICE INVOLVED in anyway. We were to handle this on our own without any help.
My husband would not go the police after that no matter how much I begged him to. He had to follow Jehovah's command first he said and Jehovah was using Bethel. So my husband wanted me to craw on my hands and knees in our home for months in case the guy was hanging out by our home. We lived out of town about five miles, This guy made my life a living HELL for years, coming into where I worked and pointing his finger at me telling me I was a good as dead, he would follow me in his car when I was driving alone, and when ever my husband had an elders meeting, about ten minutes after my husband would leave the house our phone would ring none stop with the guy calling over and over telling me he had followed my husband and had killed him.
Funny thing is the guy started to threaten the next hall over, threatening to kill the whole hall. This hall got a restraining order on him. I now wonder if the elders in that hall called Bethel first or if they called the police first. I truly think they called the police first, I am sure now, which is just common sense. After the police were involved what was Bethel going to do tell them to take it back?
Yeh thanks Bethel for your love and support in my life.
LITS
Thanks
Has this ever been posted before? It is just amazing that the protection of the religion is put before the welfare of the child. It just makes me sick.
I wish they would get hit like Penn State.
LITS
jane doe v. watchtower bible and tract society of new york, inc.. .
jury trial - june 14, 2012 - day 10. .
mr. schnack: ladies and gentlemen of the jury, the judge has instructed you that it is your choice to award or not to award punitive damages.
btt
i've published part one of a three part series about the menlo park kh scandal.
http://ex-jw.com/menlo-park-elder-tells-all-1.
this has been a tough one for me.. the original federal case was dismissed in january.
marked
obey elders and be happy children!.
today i added a new article to my blog addressing watchtower theology regarding its appointment of elders among jehovahs witnesses.
watchtower makes no bones about it.
Ver well done short and to the point.
LITS
soldier 77 just posted this about two hours ago but i think his post got lost is the great debate and straw mans that another posters was throwing around.. anyway i hope soldier 77 does not mind if i make a thread from his insight.
soldier 77 "this seems to have missed in the tangent argument going on: http://pastebin.com/3nitctlf.
anonymous are needing some more people on the inside to help.
btt
jane doe v. watchtower bible and tract society of new york, inc.. .
jury trial - june 14, 2012 - day 10. .
mr. schnack: ladies and gentlemen of the jury, the judge has instructed you that it is your choice to award or not to award punitive damages.
Right on Refriedtruth
I was told in so many words not to worry my pretty little head over it but to let the elders handle it and that I should just leave it in Jehovah's hands. Jehovah may allow a child to get molested even but I should not worry about it because Jehovah will erase it from their mind in the new system as Isaiah 65: 17 says.
I was told this by a CO! Sick
LITS
jane doe v. watchtower bible and tract society of new york, inc.. .
jury trial - june 14, 2012 - day 10. .
mr. schnack: ladies and gentlemen of the jury, the judge has instructed you that it is your choice to award or not to award punitive damages.
All the stuff I went through happened 2006-2011 well after all the dates the WT attorney spitted out in his closing arguments.
One child molester moved into the hall in April of 2006, the elders did not get any of his records from his previous hall until well after July of 2006 about four months after he had moved in. All that time he was integrating himself into the hall making everyone in the congregation think he was a great guy. He was becoming very well liked by everyone. When I told the elders I knew for a fact that he was a pedophile I was yelled at, accused of lying and hung up on the phone, etc by the elders. One elder told me if it was true the previous would have for sure have sent something on him sooner then they had so I had to be lying.
When I got the PUBLIC court records myself to prove the the elders that I was not lying and the court records said he was an incurable sexual psychopath highly likely to re-offend only the CoBE would take a copy, NONE OF THE OTHER ELDERS would touch them. The CoBE and another elder sat at my dinning room table and told me that I had way to much heavy information that I had no business to know. When I told the two elders it was all PUBLIC they were still very pissed at me.
I then went to the police to get the PUBLIC police records as that is the only way to get them where I live. One of the police officers I spoke to read the court records and was appalled that my elders would not even read the court records. This police officer was blown away that this guy was allowed to go door to door. The office told me and to quote him that "I was spot on in thinking that this guy was a danger to children even if as the my elders claimed that it was way back in 1972 and if my church leaders were not keeping him in check then I needed to find a new church to attended."
Yet just as with the court records it was the same as with the police records NONE OF THE ELDERS WOULD TOUCH them. Neither of the two CO's or the DO would take them either.
So I sent copies of the records to Bethel, nothing was done. So I sent copies to all the GB to let them know that if a child was molested it would be on their heads. I sent everything with proof of receipt so I have records that they received them. Even the GB having the records this child molester was still going door to door and no one in the hall was allowed to know he was a pedophile. This guy went out in service with anyone that the CoBE thought was mature in the hall which meant ones who were sightly slow mentally that go to the hall. How would someone who is not that bright and who does not know that the person they are going door to door with is a pedophile, how is that person going to protect a CHILD! Yet the CoBE told me he was and to quote him "following what the slave told him to do, and that he was in direct contact with Bethel over this." This conversation happened in the parking lot of the KH so I said loudly so others could hear, "so you are telling me that the slave told you to send a serial rapist door to door?" The CoBE threw up his hands up at me and stormed into the hall.
Even with all of this happening starting in 2006 the body of elders let this pedophile hold a baby show with his wife in Feb of 2009.
Another pedophile in the hall mentored a boy the age of nine until he was about 11 or 12, this pedophile had a sleep over in his back yard and also took care of the boy he mentored little sister who was mentally handicapped at the meetings, taking the little girl outside and into the back room ALONE! All with again the approval of the elders. After I totally flipped out over it one of the CO's told me OK that the elders had made some mistakes.
OK so all of this happened in 2006 until 2011 if it has even stopped now as I do not attend anymore so it could still be going on.
That closing argument makes me sick.
LITS
the conti trial transcripts have been uploaded using mediafire.. .
conti trial transcript: http://www.mediafire.com/?oj940x48xuuaa.
the public domain court documents for the 5 victims wt settled out-of-court case in may-june 2012, attorney irwin zalkin, san diego, calif., have been uploaded using mediafire:.
Thank you
LITS
